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Intake/Exhaust Design Literature
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Source：Internet Author：Unknow Pubdate：2010-06-17
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afsvrf (Automotive)
10 Jun 10 12:38
I am working on an intake and exhaust system for a high performance tractor pulling application. The engine in scrutiny is an International DT466. To give you a little background on the engine:
-International DT466 (straight 6 cylinder)
-Stock bore, stroke, connecting-rod length, exhaust manifold, intake, and head
-Peak horsepower of 1136 @ 3000 RPM (which will be the design rpm)
-HX60 Turbo (3in x 4in)
-etc, etc
I currently own Heywood's "Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals". I have heard both good and bad things about "Scientific Design of Exhaust & Intake Systems" by Phillip Smith and "Practical Gas Flow" by John Dalton. My question for the learned audience is, what literature would be beneficial for gainining knowledge for intake and exhaust tuning for this particular application? I also have access to the SAE journal database, so feel free to suggest SAE documents if you know of any. 字串7
Thanks in advance!!
afsvrf (Automotive)
10 Jun 10 14:12
I forgot to mention, this engine utilizes a "lubricated water" injection system, injecting water into the intake to provide evaporative cooling and a higher charge density.
GregLocock (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 1:07
I'm not sure how much advantage you get from tuning exhausts on turbos, my impression is not much, as the turbo is designed to attenuate the pressure pulses. Cheers
Greg Locock
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SomptingGuy (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 2:46
"Theory of Engine Manifold Design: Wave Action Methods for IC Engines", Winterbone & Pearson. 字串2
But as Greg points out, once you've got a turbine and compressor, wave action isn't that important. - Steve
patprimmer (Publican)
11 Jun 10 2:52
My experience that trying to do a pulse tuned exhaust for a turbo can be counter productive as increased volume and surface area negates any possible pulse tuning gains.
As short as practicable and no bigger dia than necessary while still streamlined seems to work best.
In most applications a gain in response more than offsets a gain in steady state power. Regards
Pat
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afsvrf (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 11:13
Thanks for the comments. I am still in the initial stages of planning and deciding which route(s) I want to go, as far as design is concerned. I had similar thoughts about the exhaust, but wanted to read up on the subject a little further. We will probably keep the exhaust manifold that is on the engine now, but I would like to investigate the intake a little further. I will try to post some pictures of the systems so you all can actually see what I'm working with. 字串9
Thanks!!
-Adam
BrianGar (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 11:40
I wouldn't get too excited about making it your business to buy "Scientific Design of Exhaust & Intake Systems". Its pretty basic in ways but there are a few 'rules' in it, but you may know them all already. Its more n/a based also.
TrackRat (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 12:02
In my experience it depends on the application. If you're tuning for driveability and low speeds yes shorter is better. If on the other hand you're tuning for peak power or higher rpms where tip-in isn't as important, a tuned intake and exhaust system on a turbo engine work the same as an NA engine with the exception that you can run slightly higher velocities with a turbo.
afsvrf (Automotive)
11 Jun 10 15:19
I finally got some photos uploaded to photobucket. The links are all pasted below. They include the current intake manifold and spacer, exhaust manifold, and turbo inlet. I also plan on putting a bellmouth on the turbo inlet so my flow diameter is not decreased too much. Please feel free to take a look and make any suggestions. 字串8
[URL=http://s788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/afsvrf/Tractor%20Pulling%20Engine/?action=view¤t=100_1072.jpg]
[URL=http://s788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/afsvrf/Tractor%20Pulling%20Engine/?action=view¤t=100_1066.jpg]
[URL=http://s788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/afsvrf/Tractor%20Pulling%20Engine/?action=view¤t=100_1067.jpg]
[URL=http://s788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/afsvrf/Tractor%20Pulling%20Engine/?action=view¤t=100_1065.jpg]
[URL=http://s788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/afsvrf/Tractor%20Pulling%20Engine/?action=view¤t=100_1069.jpg]
Thanks!
Adam
afsvrf (Automotive)
14 Jun 10 11:51
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Thank you for all of the comments concerning reference material. Pat and TrackRat, thanks for the comments above, simple but informative. In this application I am not worried too much about response, mostly peak power output. The engine only runs about 14 seconds at a time, pulling a heavy load (~80,000lb). The vehicle "takes off" or "leaves the line" at 5500 RPM and runs down the track at 3800 RPM until the end where the load the vehicle is pulling increases and the engine speed obviously decreases. Since the end of the pull is the most important, the design point of all systems in question is 3000 RPM. Tip-In/Out are not a factor here.
Just a thought and a couple of questions. I am planning on using a large "conical spline" plenum (volume ~1.5 - 2x engine displacement). Do you think longer or shorter intake runners would be ideal for this application? I was also planning on using constant area runners with a bellmouth at the entrance to each runner. 字串3
Any opinions on any of this?
TrackRat (Automotive)
15 Jun 10 0:32
Constant area runners will be fine. The tuned length of the induction track should match your desired peak power or in your case with engine pull down be slightly above the 3000 rpm point, (perhaps 3500 rpm?), I would suspect? A volume of 1.5-2x engine disp. should be OK based on my experience in other turbo applications. Max torque is what you need for the increasing load IMO, as long as you have the traction to use more torque.
patprimmer (Publican)
15 Jun 10 7:51
OK
If it's a situation where the revs and boost are easily reached in time and the critical part is maintaining or increasing torqur as the revs pull down, internal volume will not be so important, but exhaust gas velocity and retaining high exhaust temperature and the lowest possible intake temperature are important. 字串7
I would think real big intercoolers and maybe water to air IC with ice water as it is a short duration test.
I know it goes against all normal practice, but would heavy flywheel and real heavy turbo wheels help. Regards
Pat
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patprimmer (Publican)
15 Jun 10 7:58
Also, relatively small dia pipes with equal length relativly long should help.
Re the tuned length formulas, they are about exhaust scavenging rather than turbine efficiency. I think your main focus should be turbine efficiency.
Tuned length formula does change with temperature and turbo exhausts are substantially hotter than NA temps. Regards
Pat
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afsvrf (Automotive)
15 Jun 10 8:57
Thanks for all of the tips; you guys are great. Pat, I wish I could stick an intercooler on this thing, but the rules for this particular class strictly prohibit them. I will certainly look into the heavy flywheel and turbo wheels. With our current water injection system, EGTS are ranging anywhere between 1100-1200 F.
As far as education goes, I think I am going to splurge and buy Winterbone's two volume set: Theory of Engine Manifold Design and Design Techniques for Engine Manifolds. From everything I've heard, the set is the authority on intake and exhaust design.
Thanks for all of the help!
-Adam
Tmoose (Mechanical)
15 Jun 10 10:32
How is your water injection controlled?
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afsvrf (Automotive)
15 Jun 10 12:43
The water injection is controlled by a pressure switch that references the intake manifold pressure. If you look at the first URL I posted earlier, you can see the fitting/line that attaches the pressure switch to the intake manifold.
dicer (Automotive)
15 Jun 10 22:54
If the rules allow, fabricating your exhaust and induction system will be much better than that stock system it has now. After seeing some pictures of tractor pull engines blowing up, hows the rest of the engine going to be if you can boost it more?
afsvrf (Automotive)
15 Jun 10 23:35
The rest of the engine should be able to handle extra boost with no problem. The lower end already has a girdle on it, billet pistons, room to crank the injection pump up some more, etc, etc.
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Tmoose (Mechanical)
16 Jun 10 19:38
If the water injection is on/off now, I wonder if having it vary the quantity with boost pressure might allow development to provide a greater cooling effect
TrackRat (Automotive)
16 Jun 10 20:36
You can use various Hobb pressure switches to change the water volume based on boost.
patprimmer (Publican)
16 Jun 10 23:02
Or at least feed boost pressure back into the water tank vent so at least you maintain the pressure differential. Regards
Pat
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afsvrf (Automotive)
17 Jun 10 8:56
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Great ideas. I will certainly look into those next winter when we are on the dyno. By the way, Winterbone's two book set departed the UK today for my doorstep. I HOPE they are worth the money!!
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